tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13399254.post1762147649402147504..comments2024-02-14T11:04:27.663-05:00Comments on Free and Responsible Search: Portland, Ho!Doug Muderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04666144843949850394noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13399254.post-82065065372964052232007-06-30T17:18:00.000-04:002007-06-30T17:18:00.000-04:00The Great Turning pushes my buttons, too. I haven...The Great Turning pushes my buttons, too. I haven't figured out if it was the message itself or the sermon which first introduced me to it, and I don't think I've quite pinpointed why. I'd love to hear your thoughts after finishing the book and going to the talk.Allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073969531522296138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13399254.post-55966937544387929792007-06-20T15:42:00.000-04:002007-06-20T15:42:00.000-04:00Kim,A good question, and perhaps it shows that I d...Kim,<BR/><BR/>A good question, and perhaps it shows that I don't always pass my own tests. But Korten is doing something I didn't do. I was describing Consumer Hedonism as a trap that liberals and conservatives alike fall into -- my people as well as the people I usually argue against.<BR/><BR/>Korten is arguing against groups of people who are usually unnamed but easily identifiable: neoliberal economists, for example. Apparently people who have certain economic and political beliefs are less spiritually advanced than people who have other economic and political beliefs. I think that makes people on Korten's side feel good, but it's hard to see how it advances the discussion.<BR/><BR/>I'm still juggling my schedule -- I ended up spending most of last night in Midway Airport and that has thrown everything off. Are you going to be at the bloggers dinner?Doug Muderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04666144843949850394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13399254.post-34510515732122382402007-06-19T23:43:00.000-04:002007-06-19T23:43:00.000-04:00So far, in the first 100 pages, the main reason I'...<I>So far, in the first 100 pages, the main reason I've seen for people choosing Empire is that they are not as spiritually advanced or psychologically mature as the people who choose Earth Community. That doesn't give me a good feeling.</I><BR/><BR/>When you wrote about Consumer Hedonism, what was your reason for people preferring Consumer Hedonism over a more spiritual position?<BR/>Also, if you would like to read an interesting essay on Spiritual Maturity, I suggest this one:<BR/>http://www.fvcommunity.org/beloved/node/706<BR/>by Shelley Strauss Rollison.<BR/>Are you going to be at the Bloggers' dinner Friday in Portland?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13399254.post-11413436666076697182007-06-18T18:07:00.000-04:002007-06-18T18:07:00.000-04:00Let us know if anything comes of this 'Open Letter...Let us know if anything comes of <A HREF="http://emersonavenger.blogspot.com/2007/06/open-letter-to-uua-president-bill.html" REL="nofollow">this 'Open Letter'</A> that I just sent to UUA President Bill Sinkford and all UUA Trustees.<BR/><BR/>An Open Letter To UUA President Bill Sinkford aka Rev. William G. Sinkford <BR/><BR/>Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:57:39 -0400 (EDT)<BR/><BR/>From: "Robin Edgar" <BR/><BR/>Subject: Some Serious Questions For President Sinkford To Answer<BR/><BR/>To: bsinkford@uua.org, wsinkford@uua.org<BR/><BR/>An Open Letter To UUA President Bill Sinkford From Robin Edgar<BR/><BR/>Monday June 18, 2007<BR/><BR/><BR/>Dear President Sinkford,<BR/><BR/>I am still waiting for genuine justice and an appropriate formal apology from the UUA for the well-known and well-documented injustices and abuses that the UUA is responsible for perpetuating, condoning and even effectively endorsing. I expect genuine justice to be done and a formal apology to be delivered to me on your watch. I am hereby reminding you that I have already informed you in a previous email communication that I expected a formal apology to be delivered to me by the 2007 UUA GA which is just days away. It would appear from your passive resistance, your negligent inaction, and your complicit silence that you have virtually no intention of genuinely waging peace with me as per the letter and the spirit of your Holiday Message of December 1, 2006.<BR/><BR/>http://www.uua.org/news/newssubmissions/14040.shtml<BR/><BR/>When are you and other U*Us going to begin genuinely realigning your lives with your purported values in your human relations with me and other victims of clergy misconduct and/or other U*U injustices and abuses?<BR/><BR/>When are you and other U*Us going to begin to actually move toward change and reconciliation with me and other victims of U*U injustices and abuses?<BR/><BR/>When are you and other U*Us going to sincerely commit yourselves to the spiritual practice of waging peace - in your hearts, in your congregations and communities, and in the so-called U*U world?<BR/><BR/>When are you and other U*Us going to move from the futile to the effective, from the stagnant to the active, from the destructive to the creative way of life?<BR/><BR/>I am still waiting for justice and equity President Sinkford, as are other victims of various injustices and abuses that have been perpetrated by U*U clergy and/or U*U congregations. These serious injustices and abuses have been perpetuated, and indeed significantly escalated and aggravated, because you and other U*Us in positions of authority and responsibility have repeatedly chosen to do little or nothing to responsibly address, and adequately redress, those injustices and abuses that have been committed against us by U*Us.<BR/><BR/>I am still waiting for you and other U*Us to actually begin waging peace with me and other victims of U*U injustices and abuses. When will you and other U*Us begin waging genuine justice, genuine equity and genuine compassion in your human relations with us? When are you and other U*Us going to actually begin to walk what you apparently insincerely talk President Sinkford? When are you and other U*Us going to begin to genuinely practice what you preach?<BR/><BR/>I am still waiting for an answer Bill. . . I am still waiting for justice.<BR/><BR/>If you want genuine peace you must provide genuine justice to me and other victims of U*U clergy misconduct and other injustices committed by U*Us.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/><BR/>Robin EdgarRobin Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208142626285495635noreply@blogger.com